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Tip: Sage MAS 90 Extended Enterprise Suite License Keys Do NOT Work With a Regular MAS 90 Install Disk

May 19, 2009 by Wayne Schulz

I made a silly assumption this morning.

I assumed that my client, who is an existing user of Sage MAS 90, could upgrade (add a new module)  fairly quickly by using their newly acquired Extended Enterprise Suite (aka – EES) license keys with my old MAS 90 v4.3 product disk.

By way of background, my client is a long time user of Sage MAS 90. They were looking to add a few modules that they didn’t already own when I pointed out to them that they could probably save some money by upgrading to Sage EES which would contain all those modules as well as provide them with SageCRM and FAS (1,500 asset limit) for future use. The price on this upgrade was less than if they went and licensed the applications that they were thinking of purchasing.

Here’s a list of the modules included with EES (as well as some of my frequently asked questions)

https://s-consult.com/mas90-pricing/sage-extended-enterprise-suite-mas90-and-mas200-faq/

What I Learned

My first thought was that I would simply use the license keys that come with Sage EES with my regular MAS 90 v4.30 disk.

WRONG.

  • The Sage EES for MAS 90 keys don’t work with your regular Sage MAS 90 product disk.
  • Instead what you must do to install and use the new Sage MAS90 EES is do an ERP Server installation.
  • Install Sage EES – ERP Server to a new location
  • Migrate data to the new location (you CANNOT install over your old MAS 90)
  • Load Service Updates and any Extended Solutions
  • Verify any of the paths in your MAS 90 (ie Paperless Office) that may point to the old directory and consider changing them
  • FRX did not need a “path” updated because I was running to standard SOTAMAS90 ODBC driver which is self-configured by the install
  • Run workstation setup on each and every desktop so the client points to the new Sage MAS 90 EES
  • If you’re going to leave the old MAS 90 on the server for a short while so that you can make sure everything is running properly with the EES installation, then consider renaming pvxwin32.exe on the OLD installation (located in /mas90/soa) to PVXWIN32.OLD. This keeps people who may have an old version of the MAS 90 client on their desktop from accidentally going into the older version and entering transactions.

PS – It took about 4 hours for me to update 5 users which included removing and re-adding workstation setup (about 15-20 minutes per desktop). This time also includes your normal “wait” time as well as the general discovery that I was not able to use my new EES keys on the general MAS 90 disk — and instead had to do an EES upgrade.

PPS – So far as I could see there was no data conversion required and I was able to load just the ERP Server (no CRM) and everything ran find on the desktops (obviously this client is not yet trying to run FAS or SageCRM or they certainly would have experienced issues trying to access those apps)

Filed Under: Sage 100 ERP Tagged With: extended enterprise, MAS90 EES, sage, Wayne Schulz

Sage Webcast – MAS 90 and MAS 200 Extended Enterprise – Register Now

April 21, 2009 by Wayne Schulz

mas90-ees-webcast-register1You may now register for a free demo of the Sage Extended Enterprise Suite (both live and pre-recorded are available) directly from our web site.

Extended Enteprise Suite is the latest offering from Sage. It combines Sage MAS 90 or 200 (version 4.3) with SageCRM and SageFAS. These three components are fully integrated to give accounting plus CRM plus fixed asset processing.

While the functionality of the suite is impressive – what’s even moreso is the lower annual maintenance costs. Sage offers two plans which are signficantly lower in ongoing maintenance than what the modules would cost as a standalone.

Sage Extended Enterprise Suite  Components

Library Master
Business Insights
Paperless Office
General Ledger
Accounts Payable
Accounts Receivable
Bank Reconciliation
Fixed Assets
FRx Desktop – 1 User
Crystal Reports Designer – 2 user
Inventory Management
Sales Order
Purchase Order
Return Merchandise Authoization
Credit Card Processing by Sage
Bill of Materials
Customer Relationship Management
Custom Office
Visual Integrator

What does Sage EES for MAS 90 or MAS 200 cost?

New product (this is product only – scroll down for maintenance which is additional on the initial sale and is an annually recurring fee):

Sage Extended Enterprise for MAS 90 (max 20 users)

* 1 to 5 users – $ 2,250 each
* 6 to 10 users – $ 2,025 each
* 11 to 15 users – $ 1,823 each
* 16 to 20 users $ 1,640 each

Over 20 users = must use MAS 200

Sage Extended Enterprise for MAS 200

* 1 to 5 users $ 2,500 each
* 6 to 10 users $ 2,250 each
* 11 to 15 users $ 2,025 each
* 16 to 20 users $ 1,823 each
* 21 to 25 users $ 1,640 each
* 26 to 30 users $ 1,476 each
* 31 to 35 users $ 1,329 each
* 36 to 40 users $ 1,196 each
* 41 to 45 users $ 1,076 each
* 46 to 50 users $ 969 each
* 51+ users $ 872 each

Required Sage MAS 90 or MAS 200 EES Software Maintenance

EES Maintenance Option #1 – Basic

* 19% of SLP – paid on initial purchase and as recurring fee
* Covers all modules and components (CRM, FAS)
* Includes 3 phone support incidents from Sage

EES Maintenance Option #2 Gold Plus

* Covers all modules and components (CRM,FAS)
* Includes unlimited phone support from Sage
* 25% per year

Maintenance is required in order to obtain any Sage Support, receive future product enhancements, purchase additional users or modules.

Are there upgrade options from regular/standard MAS 90 or MAS 200?

Generally the upgrade options are as follows:

If you have owned Sage MAS 90 or MAS 200 since PRIOR to 10/1/2003 then your upgrade fee is:

$ 500 per user (min 5) for MAS 90 to MAS 90 or MAS 200 to MAS 200

$ 1,000 per user for MAS 90 to MAS 200 (min 5)

plus

$ 150 per user maintenance (paid on first year and subsequent years)

If you purchased MAS 90 or MAS 200 AFTER 10/1/03 then the fee is:

$ 500 per user (min 5) for MAS 90 to MAS 90 or MAS 200 to MAS 200

$ 1,000 per user for MAS 90 to MAS 200 (min 5)

plus

Normal maintenance (19% or 25%) as computed on full SLP

Standard Disclaimer Applies Here:

The information on this page is provided as-is. We make every attempt to keep pricing and technical information up-to-date. We however cannot be responsible for changes (either pricing or technical requirements) that are not reflected on this page. The technical informaiton from Sage (product literature, documentation, supported platforms, etc) always take precedence and supersede anything on this page. Consult with your Sage Business Partner prior to making any purchasing decisions. The Sage Extended Enterprise Suite is only capable of the features and functionality described in the manufactufer’s literature and those claims are their own and not those of Schulz Consulting.

Link: Register For A Free Sage EES MAS90 and MAS 200 Demo

Filed Under: Sage 100 ERP, Sage software, schulz consulting Tagged With: ees, extended enterprise, mas200, sage, Sage 100 ERP, webcast

MAS90 grandfathered users save big on Extended Enterprise upgrades

April 9, 2009 by Wayne Schulz

sage-extended-enterprise-suiteUPDATE 5-4-2009: In a highly unusual (and unfair) move Sage today voided all quotes issued for this promotion. There was no advance warning save for a 5 pm email. Worth noting that Sage had AGGRESSIVELY promoted this to their end users both by recommending that their Business Partners offer the deal and also by direct calls out to qualifying MAS 90 and MAS 200 users.  Due to the low cost involve – the pricing was met by numerous inquiries from VARS as to “whether it was right”. Therefore any outstanding quotes by Sage have been voided. We find this practice unfair and unusual.

Sage Here’s a promotion from Sage that expires June 30, 2008 that’s left a good number of resellers scratching their heads and muttering “wow, this seems too good to be true”.

Several people in my 90Minds Consulting group have been talking about this upgrade offer that Sage current has on the table. The offer applies specifically to a class of MAS 90 or MAS 200 users who are referred to as “grandfathered”.

These users purchased MAS 90 or MAS 200 prior to October 1, 2003. During this time Sage was not charging annual maintenance on user licenses so the users have not be subject to any per user license fees.

Start Saving Money On Maintenance In Year Two

The offer is as follows.

Grandfathered users can upgrade to the Sage Extended Enterprise Suite (comprised of MAS 90 or MAS 200 + SageCRM + Sage FAS) for a one time license transfer fee of $500 per user.  Their maintenance for each user will be only $150 per year – which in nearly every instance is a huge savings over what the company would have been paying previously.

Here’s the math as worked out by our 90Minds Consulting Group in an email exchange from late yesterday:

From: 90Minds
Date: Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Subject: [sageresellers] New Pricing on Grandfathered accounts for EES?
To: sageresellers@yahoogroups.com

Just got off the phone with our install base salesperson at Sage and she enlightened me on the special promotional maintenance pricing for accounts moving to EES that are in grandfathered status (purchased sometime before some date in 2003). It seems too good a deal to be true, but she said she had questioned her superiors on it 3 times and they confirmed it. So here are the details as I understand them:
Basically the new maintenance fee for all grandfathered accounts is $150 per user (MAS 90, not sure what MAS 200 will be). This means a company currently grandfathered and owning a 5 user MAS 90 license for core and distribution is probably paying about $2,000 or so for annual maintenance. With this promotion, they can move to EES ($2,500 one time migration fee) and their annual maintenance changes to $150 per user or $750! This means that for roughly an extra $1,200 this year ($3,250 vs the 2,000 they would have paid for maintenance on their current license) they get CRM, and they will get that $1,200 back in Year 2 in reduced maintenance. Starting in year 3 they are saving $1,200 every year and they get to keep CRM.
EES maintenance for a 5 user MAS 90 migration had previously been somewhere just over $2,100 annually, so at $750 it represents a decrease of over $1,300! If it were a 10 user grandfathered, the EES maintenance had been over $4,100, now it is only going to be $1,500, a savings every year of over $2,500 – forever!
This was such an outrageous difference and so un-Sage like that I specifically said that clearly this $150/user charge must only apply to users after the first 5, but I was told specifically no, it applies to all! The catch is that if they add licenses at anytime, the maintenance on those licenses are at normal maintenance pricing.
I have asked for this in writing before we start quoting, but was curious if anyone else has had this conversation with someone at Sage?

My first reaction was that this offer was too good to be true and that there must be a mistake somewhere.

But then two more consultants replied that they’d been offered the exact same promotion and it was explained in the same manner.

Sage’s followup explanation to the promotion seems to confirm that users who owned MAS 90 or MAS 200 prior to 10/1/2003 can probably save quite a bit of money by upgrading to Sage Extended Enterprise. This upgrade requires no data conversion and until you implement the SageCRM or SageFAS  there’s no retraining.

Every MAS 90 or MAS 200 customer who qualifies should be looking into this promotion and talking to their Sage Business Partner about the promotion.

Here’s the final scoop from Sage (received via email on 4/8/09) which seems to confirm the earlier email exchanges:

Through the end of Q3 (June 30th, 2009), you can migrate existing MAS 90 or 200 “Grandfathered” customers to Sage MAS 90 or 200 Extended Enterprise Suite, and offer a flat, per-user annual EES maintenance fee of only $150 per existing user! In most cases, we have been finding that customers can migrate to EES and enjoy lower annual maintenance than they are currently paying! During tough economic times, this may be critical to customers who are struggling! Please make sure to highlight the following benefits when speaking with your clients:
1. Reduce your current annual maintenance and enjoy additional modules and features!
2. Manage your business more effectively with a complete 360 degree view of your business!
3. Streamline costs and enhance customer relationships with full CRM functionality!
This promotion would apply to Sage MAS 90 and 200 customers who purchased their system prior to October 1, 2003, and are currently on a “Grandfathered” status. Please note: the $150 per user fee applies to existing users only. Standard EES maintenance rates will apply to new add-on users. The promotion does not include maintenance on modules and extended solutions outside the EES product suite.
In addition, we have added more dates to our webcast schedule, so please encourage your customers to register for our live Extended Enterprise suite webcasts!

via: 90Minds Consulting Group

See Also : Frequently Asked Questions about Sage Extended Enteprise for MAS 90 and MAS 200

Filed Under: Sage 100 ERP Tagged With: 90minds, extended enterprise, mas200, Sage 100 ERP, sage promotions

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